Jordan´s interview with Dr. Richard Gardner
points to July 16, 1993 as the date whey Evan Chandler
put the boy to sleep in order to take his tooth out. After Jordy
regained consciousness his father asked him whether anything
had happened between him and Michael and the boy said yes
for the first time. Up till then Jordy had never claimed there
was anything improper between the two of them so the
drug under which Jordan started talking was later called the
serum that helped reveal the truth (the truth serum).
Only four days earlier, on July 12, the private investigator
Anthony Pellicano interviewed Jordan Chandler when he was alone
at Michael´s Century City apartment and asked him very
direct, specific questions for 45 minutes about his relationship
with Michael Jackson. In her book The King of Pop´s
Darkest Hour Lisa D. Campbell says: The boy answered
NO to each and every question. Pellicano asked if
he had ever seen Michael´s body, and the boy said NO,
but he did lift his shirt once to show him the blotches on his
skin. Jordy then complained that his father always wanted him
to sit in the house and write screenplays, and that his father
just wanted money. Pellicano explained that it was
important to him to know for himself if this had ever happened
because it had he would have turned Michael in himself. It was
after Jordan denied any wrongdoing on the part of Michael Jackson
that Anthony Pellicano became involved in the case on behalf
So DID JORDAN SPEAK THE TRUTH UNDER THAT DRUG and WAS THE
TRUTH SERUM GIVEN TO HIM AT ALL? Searching for an answer
I decided to look into what others say about it:
Diane Dimond says she obtained information from confidential
sources, the boy´s uncle, Ray Chandler, and documents
including the anesthesiologist´s own report, that show
Jordan Chandler was not, in fact, given sodium amytal that day.
According to the anesthesiologist´s records, there is
no reference to the barbiturate sodium amytal. The purchase
of sodium amytal requires the filing of specific forms with
the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). No such forms were
ever located by anyone in law enforcement or the media.
She says that questions about whether Dr. Chandler implanted
the molestation in Jordie´s subconscious while the boy
was under the influence of anesthesia first surfaced in a story
that ran in GQ magazine (Mary Fischer´s article,
Yan Halperin says that D. Dimond may be unaware that
in fact the allegations were first reported not by Fischer,
but by a newsman for KCBS-TV five months earlier. The reporter
asked Evan Chandler whether he had used the drug on his son.
Rather than denying sodium amytal was involved, Chandler claimed
he had used a drug only to pull his son´s tooth out and
that while under that drug´s influence, the boy came out
with the allegation.
Mary Fischer, however, was not content to rely on the
KCBS-TV report. She preferred to go straight to the source and
ask Mark Torbiner whether he used sodium amytal during Jordan
Chandler´s procedure. Rather than deny it, he told Fischer,
If I used it, it was for dental purposes.
Geraldine Hughes (who is defending Michae´s innocence
in her Redemption book) on the other hand does not believe in
the sodium amytal theory: No, I think that´s their
story on how they found out. I really believe that the whole
thing was plotted and planned [ ]. They made it look like they
just happened to take the boy to the psychiatrist and that´s
where he got the information. Then I´m hearing the sodium
thing, so I thought, first you said the psychiatrist is the
one that got the information and then now you´re saying,
the father put him under a truth serum and I´m like, which
one is it?
However Jordan´s uncle Ray Chandler, provided a transcript
of his nephew´s interview with a psychiatrist where Jordan
Chandler said: My father had to pull my tooth out one
time, like, while I was there. And I don´t like pain,
so I said could you put me to sleep? And he said sure. So his
friend put me to sleep; he´s an anesthesiologist. And
um, when I woke up my tooth was out, and I was alright
a little out of it but conscious. And my Dad said and
his friend was gone, it was just him and me and my dad
said, ´I just want you to let me know, did anything happen
between you and Michael?´ And I said ´Yes,´
and he gave me a big hug and that was it.
Let me review the facts once again not to mess things up:
1) Michael´s accuser Evan Chandler admitted on TV he had
used the drug to pull Jordan´s tooth out.
2) His friend Mark Torbiner, the anesthesiologist, more or less
agreed with this statement saying If I used it, it was
for dental purposes.
3) Jordan said to his psychiatrist that he was put to sleep
before having his tooth pulled out.
4) Ray Chandler said one thing to D.Diamond and another to everyone
else by providing Jordan´s interview with the psychiatrist
where Jordan speaks about his tooth taken under a sedative.
5) Michael´s defender Geraldine Hughes doubts Evan´s
story though the use of a mind-altering drug seems to come in
handy to prove Michael´s innocence.
Well, all this is terribly confusing
To try and shed
some light onto the problem I´ve started looking for the
description of sodium amytal and the way it works.
Here is what I found:
Intelligence Encyclopedia says, The term ´truth
serum´ has been applied to drugs that are used in narcoanalysis.
This term is a misnomer in two ways: the drugs used are not
serums and truthfulness is not guaranteed. Although inhibitions
are generally reduced, persons under the influence of truth
serums are still able to lie and even tend to fantasize. Courts
have ruled that information obtained from narcoanalysis is inadmissible.
Narcoanalysis is not used in the United States as an interrogation
method. The unethical use of truth drugs is classified as a
form of torture according to international law. However,
they are used in the evaluation of psychotic patients in the
practice of psychiatry.
Truth serums are divided into classes according to the duration
of sedation: ultrashort, short, intermediate, and long. SODIUM
AMYTAL is an intermediate-acting barbiturate. Sedation occurs
in one hour or longer and lasts for 10 to 12 hours. Sodium amytal
depresses the central nervous system. It is used as a sedative,
hypnotic, and anticonvulsive and for narcoanalysis. When sodium
amytal is used for narcoanalysis it may be called an Amytal
An even more informative source is a CIA study of special
interrogation methods by means of truth serums. This is what
their report says about Sodium Amytal:
Sodium amytal can be given orally but it would be difficult
to achieve and maintain the proper dose using the oral route.
So for narcoanalysis the only method of administration used
is intravenous injection.
A subject coming under the influence of a sodium amytal injected
intravenously goes through all the stages of progressive drunkenness.
Outwardly the sedation effect is dramatic the patient´s
features slacken, his body relaxes. Some people are momentarily
excited; a few become silly and giggly. This usually passes,
and most subjects fall asleep, emerging later in disoriented
semi-wakefulness. The descent into narcosis and beyond with
progressively larger doses can be divided as follows:
I. SEDATIVE STAGE
II. UNCONSCIOUSNESS, WITH EXAGGERATED REFLEXES (hyperactive
III. UNCONSCIOUSNESS, WITHOUT REFLEX EVEN TO PAINFUL STIMULI.
At this stage consciousness is lost and coma follows. The subject
no longer responds even to noxious stimuli, and cannot be roused.
IV. DEATH. In the last stage, respiration ceases.
Whether all these stages can be distinguished in any given subject
depends largely on the dose and the rapidity with which the
drug is induced. In anesthesia, stages I and II may last only
two or three seconds.
The first or SEDATIVE STAGE can be further divided:
Plane 1. No evident effect, or slight sedative effect.
Plane 2. Cloudiness, calmness, amnesia. (Upon recovery, the
subject will not remember what happened at this or lower
planes or stages.)
Plane 3. Slurred speech, old thought patterns disrupted, inability
to integrate or learn new patterns. Poor coordination. Subject
becomes unaware of painful stimuli.
PLANE 3 of the Sedative stage is the psychiatric work
stage. It may last only a few minutes, but it can be extended
by further slow injection of the drug. The usual practice is
to bring the subject quickly to Stage II and to conduct the
interview as he passes back into the sedative stage on the way
to full consciousness.
Administering drugs requires clinical judgment. Knowing what
to expect and how to react appropriately to the unexpected takes
both technical and clinical skill. The process calls for qualified
medical personnel, and sober reflection on the depths of barbituric
(sodium amytal) anesthesia will confirm that it would not be
enough merely to have access to a local physician.
The subject was kept in twilight consciousness. In it
his speech was thick, mumbling, and disconnected, but his discretion
was markedly reduced. This valuable interrogation period, lasting
only five to ten minutes at a time, could be reinduced by injecting
more amytal and putting the patient back to sleep.
Several patients revealed fantasies, fears, and delusions approaching
delirium, much of which could readily be distinguished from
reality. But sometimes there was no way for the examiner to
distinguish truth from fantasy except by reference to other
One subject claimed to have a child that did not exist, another
threatened to kill on sight a stepfather who had been dead a
year, and yet another confessed to participating in a robbery
when in fact he had only purchased goods from the participants.
During the follow-up interview nine of the 17 admitted the validity
of their confessions; eight repudiated their confessions and
reaffirmed their earlier accounts. The results showed that normal
individuals who had good defenses and no overt pathological
traits could stick to their invented stories and refuse confession.
Neurotic individuals with strong unconscious self-punitive tendencies,
on the other hand, both confessed more easily and were inclined
to substitute fantasy for the truth, confessing to offenses
never actually committed.
J.M.MacDonald, who as a psychiatrist for the District Courts
of Denver has had extensive experience with narcoanalysis, says
that drug interrogation is of doubtful value. Criminal
suspects under the influence of barbiturates may falsely confess
to crimes they did not commit. And the tendency against which
an interrogator must guard in the interrogatee to give the responses
that seem to be wanted without regard for facts will be heightened
by drugs: the literature abounds with warnings that a subject
in narcosis is extremely suggestible. In the drunken
state of narcoanalysis patients are prone to accept the therapist´s
I know that the above study did not bring us any closer to the
solution of the problem. However it provoked me to ask some
COULD Evan Chandler use this type of drug for interrogating
WAS there any other way for him to find out whether the awful
suspicions ravaging his brain were justified when all
his got from his son was a stubborn denial of any misconduct
on Michael´s part?
WAS he able to cope with his imagination killing his mind for
several months by then?
COULD he resist the temptation to finally get answers to all
those damning questions while Jordan was asleep?
DID he take special care to formulate questions in an neutral
way or did he ask them point blank and make them as specific
WHAT was the result he got?
WHY did he ask his first and only question after his son came
to about anything between him and Michael?
Thank you Helena for your generosity
sharing your investigation!