Interview with Diane Sawyer as breach of Settlement agreement
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Weve agreed to look at how Michael Jackson
and the Chandlers were observing the terms and obligations of
their January 1994 Settlement Agreement.
This Confidential Settlement shall not be construed as an admission by Jackson that he has acted wrongfully with respect to the Minor, Evan Chandler or June Chandler Jackson specifically disdains any liability to, and denies any wrongful acts against, the Minor, Evan Chandler or June Chandler .
The Parties acknowledge that Jackson is a public figure and that his name, image and likeness have commercial value and are an important element of his earning capacity. The Parties acknowledge that Jackson claims that he has elected to settle the claims in the Action in view of the impact the Action has had and could have in the future on his earnings and potential income.
Upon the signing of this Confidential Settlement
the Minor, through his Guardians ad Litem in the Action
dismiss the first through sixth causes (molestation, etc.) of
action of the complaint,
leaving only the seventh cause
(negligence) of action pending.
The Minor, Evan Chandler and June Chandler agree that they will not at any time in the future enter into any contract with any media for purposes of or relating to the commercial exploitation by Jordan Chandler, Evan Chandler, June Chandler of any story related to Jackson ,.. Jacksons relationship with the Minor or Evan Chandler or June Chandler, the allegations made in the Action or the Claims. In addition the Parties acknowledge that Jackson or his heirs shall be entitled to recoup as recovery for unjust enrichment any sums as may be received by the breaching party as compensation for such commercial exploitation.
The Minor, Evan Chandler and June Chandler
agree to make no further claims or statements in any public
forum that accuse Jackson of any wrongful conduct whatsoever
with regard to the Minor or any other person.
Sylvia Chase: Shy?
Diane Sawyer: 1979, . 20-20. He told Sylvia Chase people wont let him be just, normal.
Michael: They wont talk to me like their, well, their next door neighbour.
Diane Sawyer: But somehow Jackson used isolation to sharpen his sense of what was exotic and new. By 1983, the 25th anniversary of Motown, another Michael Jackson emerged. His own creation. From the music, to the muscle. To the magic. It was a triumph. But, he still sees only what he missed.
Michael: I wanted to, do the five spins and, go on the toes and, freeze there, and just hold it, and stay there, you know. And I didnt, but, they didnt know.
Diane Sawyer: Its the doubles bargain. A perfectionist trying to give the audience more. A chameleon, whose changes are more and more extreme. Making you wonder if its all still part of his plan, or like thoust, his prison. Because even today Jackson obsesses over every word, every note, every sound. Listen.
What youre hearing is not an electric drum machine, its a hard-wired, 48 track, digitally-mastered human.
[Tape of Michael's voice box, mimicking various instruments is playing.]
Michael: You know what I mean. Ill take that and use that as the main foundation for the track, and build, all the sounds around that. You know what Im sayin?
Diane Sawyer: So, whatever the future, the music will always be inside the man, who says soon hell be back, where hes most at home.
Diane Sawyer: Are you really anxious to get back onstage?
Michael: Hmmm, I miss the fans. Thats my chance to get to really, you know, see them and, feel their presence.
When we do a concert, and theres like a hundred thousand people out there, and you see a sea of people singing there, all in unison, holding up candles, and, you go, wow! You know its, it really makes your heart happy and thats what really makes me feel like everythings OK.
Diane Sawyer: But as we said, two years ago that, this shy man faced some grave accusations that he had molested a young boy. As the headlines raged, a lot of people wondered if what had seemed merely eccentric was in fact something sinister. And the children always around him, were they lured by a seducer? The lingering question was, was Michael Jackson guilty? Or had he been put through two years of unequalled injustice? And hell. For parents, a warning its an adult topic. This was the allegation. A twelve year old boy, said that over a period of four months, while repeatedly sleeping alone in the same bed with Michael Jackson, there was kissing, then fondling, then masturbation. The boy said he had protested but Jackson had wept, saying that it was alright other boys had done it with him. That was the allegation. But, for the prosecution there were problems. The boy had spoken at the urging of his father, who was also seeking custody. And the father had talked to the Jackson camp about money, twenty million dollars according to the Jackson team. This is the father talking to someone he knew on tape.
Father: [from a taped phote converstation] So, if I go through with this, I win big time. There is no way that I lose.
Diane Sawyer: But, whatever the circumstances of the disclosure authorities say they believed the boys story. The investigation of Michael Jackson was set in motion and within days hit the airwaves.
Reporter 1: Tonight, a police investigation into allegations that Michael Jackson sexually abused a young boy.
Reporter 2: The pop star Michael Jackson under investigation for alleged child abuse
Diane Sawyer: It was a tabloid feeding-frenzy as people who worked for Jackson shopped stories, all claiming to belating knowledge of what they called, the special friends. And even when some of Jacksons young friends tried to defend him, they raised other troubling questions. This is eleven year old boy Brett Barnes talking to a TV interviewer.
Interviewer: When youd have sleep-overs and youd stay in the same room or the same bed would that seem unusual to you at all?
Brett: No. Cuz I slept on one side of the bed, he slept on the other, and that was that.
Diane Sawyer: After several months of headlines, Jackson, on tour, and then, reportedly in treatment for addiction to pain-killers, returned to the United States and submitted to a series of police photographs. Sources say, to see if they matched his accusers description of identifying marks, on what authorities called his private parts. December 22, Jackson went public.
Michael: Dont treat me like a criminal, cause I am innocent. I have been forced to submit to a dehumanizing and humiliating, examination by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff Department and the Los Angeles Police Department earlier this week. They served a search warrant on me, which allowed them to view and photograph my body, including my penis, my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs, and any other area that they wanted.
Diane Sawyer: One month later, January 25th, 1994, Michael Jackson settled the civil suit filed by his young accuser. How much? Reportedly in the neighbourhood of fifteen to twenty million dollars. After the settlement, the boy refused to testify in the criminal case. So, after thirteen months of headlines, the prosecuters said, it was over.
Gil Garcetti: We must decline prosecution, involving Mr. Jackson.
Diane Sawyer: They had no other children who would come forward in court. And none of the employees who claimed to have seen questionable things, had a story that could be confirmed by a child. To this day, a number of investigators remain convinced that glamour and money are so attractive, they can produce loyalty and silence. While Jacksons team insists that it ended, because nothing happened in the first place. When we come back, Michael Jackson and Lisa-Maree Presley, their chance to speak.
Diane Sawyer: And with me, of course, Michael Jackson and Lisa-Marie Presley. Welcome to Prime Time.
Michael: Thank you.
Diane Sawyer: Glad youre here. It occurs to me, looking at the two of you, I have got to start, by asking, how this marriage took place, how it began. Let me guess that it was not over miniature golf and a hot dog, or something. When did it start? When was the dating?
Michael: Well, we first met, she was seven years old and I was seventeen. This was in Las Vegas. She used to come and see my show all the time. We had the only family show on the strip, the Jackson 5. And, she used to come, as a little girl, and sit right up front. She came quite often. She came with a lot of bodyguards. And
Diane Sawyer: Had you stayed in touch with her?
Michael: Sure, sure. And then shed come backstage, then Id, you know, talk and say hi and then shed come again. And I thought she was sweet, and loving, and I hoped , I always hoped Id see her again.
Diane Sawyer: And who first talked about marriage?
Lisa Marie: We didnt stay in touch after that.
Michael: We didnt stay in touch after that, no.
Lisa Marie: He, he go ahead, you wannted to say it. Go ahead.
Michael: No, you can say it. You can, you have a good memory.
Lisa Marie: Well, you said you were going to say it.
Diane Sawyer: Our first argument here, um, this hour. Who, who proposed? I mean, how did marriage actually get discussed?
Michael: Well, well, at first this is what happened. When she was 18, I used to tell my lawyer, John Branca: do you know Lisa-Marie Presley? Hed go, well, I represent her mother.Id go, well, can you get in touch with her, cause, I think shes really cute. And hed laugh everytime. He goes, Ill try my best, thats what hed say. Then hed come back and I said well did you find out? He said, no, theres nothing. So I would worry him about this all the time. The next thing I noticed, there was a picture on a magazine cover where shes married, which really tore me to pieces, because I felt that was supposed to be me, I really did.
Diane Sawyer: And what, what was the countdown to your marriage? Tell me, who said the word marriage first?
Michael: I did.
Lisa Marie: He did.
Diane Sawyer: When? Where?
Michael: When, where?
Lisa Marie: On the telephone.
Michael: Oh yeah, oh yeah on the telephone.
Lisa Marie: He first asked me, we were dating now for four months right? Four months?
Michael: I dont remember.
Lisa Marie: Anyway, we were spending a lot of time together. I dont know how it didnt manage to get in the press, because we werent hiding it. I was in Las Vegas, we were in
MJ and LM : We were everywhere together.
Lisa Marie: Everywhere.
Michael: Went to bookstores,
Lisa Marie: To bookstores. We were not hiding it.
Diane Sawyer: And you said yes right away?
Lisa Marie: I was separated for four months now, and he said: What would you do if I asked you, to marry me? And I said, I would.
Michael: A big I would, you were really enthusiastic! [giggling]
Diane Sawyer: I have to ask you this, because I can only imagine there are a number of lawyers involved in a pre-nuptual agreement, between these two fortunes. Is there one? A careful one?
Michael: Well, weve worked out things and weve signed certain things but, of course thats very confidential.
Lisa Marie: We agreed, we made agreements prior, yes.
Diane Sawyer: As you know, the reaction to this marriage, and I know you feel strongly about it, but the reaction to this marriage has been across the spectrum, everything from astonishment, to delight, to . . .suspicion. That it was somehow . . .too convenient. Lisa, did you ask Michael about the charges? Did the two of you think about the impact, of the marriage, on the allegations?
Lisa Marie: Absolutely not. He called I was in touch with him through the whole process of this, charges going on. I was talking to him when he disappeared. I was actually supposed to go to Santa Juan, Puerto Rico, when he left and disappeared, and I got a call that he wasnt going to be there, and I was actually part of the whole thing with him, by talking to him on the phone. So .
Diane Sawyer: Did you say to him: Are they true?
Lisa Marie: No, I didnt. No I actually did not.
Diane Sawyer: I want to take a minute here, and Im gonna come back to the marriage .
Lisa Marie: Could I just sorry. He, he, went, on and on and on about it, so I didnt really have to say, Are the allegations true? He was gggrrr [imitating Michael's outrage] on the phone, yknow, and ..
Diane Sawyer: Over and over.
Lisa Marie: Just constant yeah.
Diane Sawyer: Well, [turning to Michael] because I know that youve wanted to express similar sentiments for a long time, I want to ask a few things about the charges. But first I want to establish for the viewers here, there are no ground rules. You have said to me you are not afraid of any questions. So, I wanted that understood by everybody before we proceed. I think I want to begin by making sure that the terms are clear. You have said you would never harm a child. I want to be as specific as I can. Did you ever, as this young boy said you did, did you ever sexually engage, fondle, have sexual contact with this child, or any other child?
Michael: Never, ever. I could never harm a child, or anyone. Its not in my heart, its not who I am. And its not what Im ..Im not even interested in that.
Diane Sawyer: And what do you think should be done to someone who does that?
Michael: To someone who does that? What I think should be done? Gee . . .I think they need help . . .in some kind of way . . .you know.
Diane Sawyer: How about the police photographs, though? How was there enough information from this boy about those kinds of things?
Michael: The police photographs?
Diane Sawyer: The police photographs.
Michael: That they took of me? .
Diane Sawyer: Yeah.
Michael: There was nothing that matched me to those charges, there was nothing.
Lisa Marie: There was nothing they could connect to him.
Michael: Thats why Im sitting here talking to you today. There was not one iota of information that was found, that could connect me ..
Diane Sawyer: So when weve heard the charges .
Michael: There was nothing
Diane Sawyer: markings of some kind?
Michael: No markings.
Diane Sawyer: No markings?
Diane Sawyer: Why did you settle the ..
Michael: Why am I still here then?
Lisa Marie: Youre not going to ask me about them, are you? [laughing] Sorry. About the markings?
Diane Sawyer: You volunteered.
Lisa Marie: No, Im just .the point is, is that when that finally got concluded that there was no match-up, then, it was printed this big [showing a tiny area], as opposed to how big it was, what the match-up was supposed to be.
Michael: Because it isnt so!
Diane Sawyer: Why did you settle the case then?
Michael: The whole thing is a lie.
Diane Sawyer: Why did you settle the case? And, it looks to everyone as if you paid a huge amount of money .
Michael: Thats thats, most of thats folklore. I talked to my lawyers, and I said, can you guarantee me, that justice will prevail? And they said: Michael, we cannot guarantee you that a judge, or a jury will do anything. And with that I was like catatonic, I was outraged!
Diane Sawyer: How much money ..
Michael: Totally outraged. So, I said I have got to do something to get out from under this nightmare. All these lies and all these people coming forth to get paid and all these tabloid shows, just lies, lies, lies, lies. So what I did, we got together again with my advisors and they advised me. It was a hands down, unanimous decision resolve the case. This could be something that could go on for seven years! .
Diane Sawyer: How much money was .
Michael: We said, lets get it behind us.
Diane Sawyer: Can you say how much?
Michael: Its not what the tabloids have printed. Its not all this crazy outlandish money, no, its not at all. I mean, the terms of the agreement are very confidential.
Diane Sawyer: I want to ask .
Lisa Marie: Hes been barred to discuss it. The, the .
Diane Sawyer: The specific terms .
Lisa Marie: The specific terms
Diane Sawyer: Of the agreement.
Lisa Marie: The specific amounts.
Michael: The idea, it just isnt fair what they put me through. Cause there wasnt one piece of information that says I did that. And anyway, they turned my room upside-down, went through all my books, all my videotapes, all my private things, and they found nothing, nothing, nothing that could say Michael Jackson did this. Nothing!
Diane Sawyer: But let me ask you a couple of questions .
Michael: To this day, nothing. Still, nothing.
Diane Sawyer: Let me ask you .
Michael: Nothing, nothing, nothing.
Diane Sawyer: Nothing. We got nothing. As you may or may not know, we have called everyone we could call, we have checked everything we can check, we have gone and tried to see if what we heard before is in fact the case I want to ask you about two things. These reports that we read over and over again, that in your room they found photographs of young boys
Michael: Not of young boys, of children, all kinds of girls and . . . everything.
Diane Sawyer: And that they found photographs books, of young boys who were undressed.
Diane Sawyer: It didnt happen?
Michael: No. Not that I know of, unless people sent me things that I havent opened. People send, people know my love for children, so they send me books from all over the world. From South America, from Germany, from Italy, from Sweden, I .
Diane Sawyer: So people say, that they found those things, that theres an indication, let them come forward. Let them produce them, right?
Michael: Yeah, because I get all I get all kinds you wouldnt believe the amounts of mail that I get. If you say to somebody, you know, if I let the fans know that I love Charlie Chaplin, Ill be swarmed in Charlie Chaplin paraphanalia.
Diane Sawyer: What about
Michael: If I say I love children, which I do, they swarm me with everything pertaining to kids.
Diane Sawyer: Any other settlements in process now or previously with children making these kinds of claims. We have heard that there is one, not, not a case that the prosecutors would bring in court.
Diane Sawyer: but, but once again, youre talking about shelling out .
Michael: No. Thats not true. No. Its not true. I think, Ive heard everything is fine, and there are no others.
Diane Sawyer: I guess , let me ask this, and Im trying to think how to phrase it, though. I can hear out in the country people saying and youve been cleared of all the charges, I want to make that clear. People saying, look here is a man who is surrounded by things that children love. Here is a man who spends an inordinate amount of time, with these young boys.
Michael: Thats right.
Diane Sawyer: What is a thirty-six year old man doing, sleeping with a twelve year old boy? Or a series of them?
Michael: Right. OK, when you say boys, its not just boys, and Ive never invited just boys to come in my room. Cmon, thats just ridiculous. And thats a ridiculous question. But since people want to hear it yknow, the answer , Ill be happy to answer it. I have never invited anyone into my bed, ever. Children love me, I love them. They follow me, they want to be with me. But anybody can come in my bed, a child can come in my bed if they want.
Lisa Marie: I can say .I can, I can say sorry. Ive seen this, Ive seen it a lot. Ive seen kids. Ive seen him with children in the last year. Ive seen it enough to where I can see how that can happen. Its yknow I understand .
Diane Sawyer: Isnt part of being an adult and you have a two year old child two year old boy.
Michael to Lisa Marie: Didnt you want to finish?
Lisa Marie: Yeah. Lemme just, lemme just sorry.
Diane Sawyer: Okay.
Lisa Marie: I, I just wanted to say Ive seen these children. They dont let him go to the bathroom without running in there with him. And they wont let him out of their sight. So when he jumps in the bed, Im even out. Yknow, they, they jump in the bed with him.
Diane Sawyer: But isnt part of being an adult and loving children, keeping children from ambiguous situations? And again were talking about over an intense period of time here. Would you, let your son when he grows up, and is twelve years old, do that?
Lisa Marie: You know what, if I didnt know Michael, no way. But I happen to know who he is, and what he is. And that makes it . . . yknow. I know that hes not, yknow I know that hes not like that, and I know he has a thing for children, and I go ahead, sorry.
Diane Sawyer: I just want to is it over? Are you gonna make sure it doesnt happen again? I think, this is really the key thing people wanna know.
Michael: Is what over?
Diane Sawyer: That there are not going to be more of these sleep-overs, in which people have to wonder.
Michael: Nobody wonders when kids sleep over at my house. Nobody wonders.
Diane Sawyer: But are they over? Are you are you gonna watch out for it now?
Michael: Watch out for what?
Diane Sawyer: Just for the sake of the children and for everything youve been through.
Michael: No! Cuz, its all its all moral and its all pure. I dont even think that way, its not whats in my heart ..
Diane Sawyer: So youll, youll do it again?
Michael: I would never ever ..Do what again?
Diane Sawyer: I mean, youll have a child sleeping over.
Michael: Of course! If they want.
Lisa Marie: He has
Michael: Its on the level of purity and love, and just innocence. Complete innocence. If youre talking about sex then thats a nut. Thats not me! Go to the guy down the street cause its not Michael Jackson. Its not what Im interested in.
Diane Sawyer: OK, were gonna take a break now. When we come back, Elizabeth Taylor talked to us a little bit about what she saw when she went over and talked to you, in the middle of this and helped you get treatment for addiction to painkillers.
Michael: Oh, wow .Elizabeth is on the show!
Diane Sawyer: When we come back.
(a commercial break)
VIDEO MISSING (sorry!)
Diane Sawyer: As we said, Elizabeth Taylor is going to talk a little bit about when she came to see you in the middle of this, what she called agony. And one of the things she was so , I think she was so angry about with us, was that she said people always talk about one side of a person, they never give them credit for their accomplishments .
Michael: Thats right.
Diane Sawyer: particularly, what they give to children and the money you give to children, thats how it starts.
[Showing taped interview with Elizabeth Taylor]
Elizabeth Taylor: When hes on tour he goes to hospitals, without the press following him. Without anyone knowing. Hell get up in a disguise and do it. Take his disguise off when hes there, and kids know, Wow, its Michael Jackson!.
Diane Sawyer: Was there no point at which you said to yourself reading everything everybody had been reading maybe this is true, maybe I completely didnt understand who he was.
Elizabeth Taylor: No way. Absolutely not.
Diane Sawyer: Never?
Elizabeth Taylor: Never. I know Michaels heart. I know his mind and his soul. Im not that insensitive. Especially to him, or people I love.
Diane Sawyer: How did you decide to go to Singapore?
Elizabeth Taylor: He was my friend he was alone. He was totally alone. And he just .. he needed help. Nothing in the world could have hurt him more. If it had been calculated, if theyd planned an assassination, they couldnt have done it any better. It almost it almost broke his heart.
Diane Sawyer (voice-over): She said she recognised a friend turning to painkillers for escape.
Elizabeth Taylor: He wasnt aware of what was happening, he was dulling his pain. But, it really frightened me because I have been there. And I know how easy it is to get there when youre in mental or physical pain.
Diane Sawyer: And he knew right away that he had to deal with it, to . .
Elizabeth Taylor: Not right away, not right away but he knew.
[back to interview with Michael and Lisa Marie]
Diane Sawyer: There were some reports during this period, Michael, that it was such agony for you that you were actually suicidal. Is that true?
Michael: I was never suicidal. I love life too much to ever be suicidal. Im resiliant. I have rhinocerous skin. Never, ever suicidal.
Diane Sawyer: Did it leave you, though . . .
Michael: Heartbroken [touching his heart] , but not suicidal.
Diane Sawyer: Did it leave you changed, completely? I Ive talked to you a little bit about what youre thinking about where you want to live in the world. Did it change your view about living here? Are you thinking about living someplace else?
Michael: I dont care to stay in America anymore, no. I I dont care. I will always have Neverland, yknow. Cuz I I have Neverland. I dont like Im very sensitive to the smog. Yknow, so I cant have the smog. And ah, I would like to go abroad. Matter of fact, I am.
Diane Sawyer: You are?
Diane Sawyer: Where?
Michael: Ooh, I havent decided the exact place yet. Probably South Africa, maybe.
Diane Sawyer: To live permanently?
Michael: Maybe, aah, Switzerland.
Diane Sawyer: Lisa, are you in favour of it?
Lisa Marie: Can we just change wait, just go into the fact that we dont live in separate houses for to start this with.
Michael: Yeah, we dont live in separate this is just a dream.
Lisa Marie: its ridiculous. Wherever the camera is. Anyway, um sorry, heh.
Michael: No. Jump in any time.
Lisa Marie: What? How do I feel about the overseas thing? I think that its a nice place to visit, yes. I would like to have a a house over there.
Diane Sawyer: Hmmm.
Lisa Marie: We would be completely and utterly harrassed beyond belief but
Diane Sawyer: Before we move away from the last two years, we told you, because we want to, that we are going to show, what is really your comment of those two years. And ah is a video you have done with your sister Janet, called Scream. And in it you have some words, for middle-aged people who cant follow these words. Ahh, the words youll hear will be about confusion, bashing, victimising, stop pressuring me, he says, makes me want to scream. The last two years.
['Scream' video is shown]
Diane Sawyer: We have some wedding video, of the two of you. And Im gonna let you tell us a little bit about what were seeing here if our director Roger Goodman wants to roll it in, we will take you there, a years ago. Right?
Lisa Marie: Yes.
Diane Sawyer: Just about exactly.
[wedding video is shown]
Lisa Marie: I look like an idiot, I can tell you that.
Michael: You dont look like an idiot, you look more like a, ah . . . no.
Lisa Marie: [laughing] Do you want me to tell you . . .
Diane Sawyer: Yes.
Lisa Marie: while were watching it?
Diane Sawyer: Tell us.
Lisa Marie: While were watching.
Diane Sawyer: Tell us. Were watching here live.
Michael (to Lisa Marie): I do.
Lisa Marie (to Michael): What?
Michael (to Lisa Marie): I do.
Lisa Marie (to Michael): Hah.
Lisa Marie: In the middle he [judge] asks for his [Michael's] autograph.
Michael: [Comments to LM about his stretching in the video, but is inaudible.]
Lisa Marie: Right, now were out of time.
Michael (to Lisa Marie): How do I look?
Lisa Marie (to Michael): Great.
Michael (to Lisa Marie): You sure?
Lisa Marie (to Michael): Yeah.
Diane Sawyer: So I know, that you, Lisa Marie, have wanted to talk about this. There are a lot of doubters about this marriage. Ive heard that its a Scientology plan, you are a member of the Church of Scientology, which is said to influence its members greatly, and that the husband you divorced was a Scientologist, and hes still very much in your life and this is all part of a calculation to get . . . Michael, and his money into the church.
Michael: Oooh, gee . . .
Lisa Marie: Its crap. Im sorry it, its like ridiculous Its the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. Im not um . First of all, you cant get influenced by anything . like that and, and under a term of a marriage Im not gonna marry somebody for any reason other than the fact that Ive fallen in love with them, period. Period. And they can eat it, if they wanna think any differently . . .
Michael: [laughing out loud!]
Diane Sawyer: To put it succinctly.
Lisa Marie: Yeah.
Diane Sawyer: What is it you love the most about him?
Lisa Marie: Ooh, what do I love the most about him? Everything. Hes amazing. I really admire him. I respect him. I admire him. Im in love with him. And no, we dont sleep in separate bedrooms, thank you very much. And um I love everything about him.
Diane Sawyer: To finish up on that, though are you a Scientologist? Are . . .
Diane Sawyer: Plan to become one?
Michael: I believe in spirituality and I believe in a higher source, such as God. But Im not a Scientologist. I read everything, I like to read, I love to study.
Diane Sawyer: You said you dont sleep in separate bedrooms, and Im going to confess, okay this is live TV and Im copping out right here, because I didnt spend my life as a serious journalist to ask these kinds of questions. But Im not oblivious to the fact that your fans had one question they most wanted to ask of you.
Lisa Marie: Do we have sex?
Diane Sawyer: We have . .
Michael: He, he, he sh she didnt ask!!
Lisa Marie: Ha, ha, ha.
Michael: She didnt ask.
Lisa Marie: OK, I wont ask.
Diane Sawyer: Okay.
Michael: We dont know what it was gonna be.
Lisa Marie: Is that what you were gonna ask?
Diane Sawyer: Lets play just a minute or two.
Lisa Marie: Sorry.
Diane Sawyer: Lets play one or two.
[videotaped interterviews with fans]
Fan 1: We wanna know, if youve done the thing?
Fan 2: Michael, I know this is an intimate question, but are you having sex, together, with Lisa Marie?
Fan 3: Do you guys really love each other or are you just doing this to satisfy the media?
Fan 4: Are you guys intimate?
Diane Sawyer: Again
Michael: I cant believe it.
Lisa Marie: Wow!
Diane Sawyer: But this is about the scepticism.
Lisa Marie: Yes. Yes! Yes.
Diane Sawyer: And we have read in the papers, that you, are . . . expecting a child.
Lisa Marie: We wont be expecting a child, no. When Im not gonna . . .
Michael: Were not gonna say when, or ..
Lisa Marie: Its personal.
Michael: Its in the hands of the heavens.
Diane Sawyer: But not yet?
Lisa Marie: Did we marry out of convenience? Thats really interesting, thats really interesting to me.
Michael: Its ridiculous.
Diane Sawyer: Why?
Lisa Marie: Well, why wouldnt we have a lot in common? Thats the question. Why? Why not?
Michael: Like were faking this?
Lisa Marie: Like no.
Michael: The most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard.
Lisa Marie: But you cant live with somebody day to day. Were together all the time, first of all. Second thing, how can you fake that 24 hours a day with somebody? Sleeping with somebody. Waking up with somebody. Having the
Michael: Its the dumbest thing Ive ever heard.
Lisa Marie: Hes running around the house. Im running around the house. You were in our house. We have a normal house, we have a nanny, we have a maid. And we walk around, and hes either in the studio or Im in the kitchen. Were running around like normal I know its hard to believe people.
Diane Sawyer: You go shopping together you . .
Lisa Marie: We go shopping. We go out to dinner. We argue . . . sometimes.
Michael: About what, may I say? [to Lisa Marie]
Lisa Marie: [laughs, looks at Michael]
Diane Sawyer: We also heard a report that maybe you were planning to adopt the children.
Michael: Oh, I would love to adopt children. I think thats something Ive always wanted to do. But children of all races: Arab children, Jewish children, black children, all races.
Diane Sawyer: But, Lisas children?
Michael: I love Lisas children. Its been a mission
Diane Sawyer: But are you going to adopt
Diane Sawyer: To adopt them, though?
Michael: Oh, I love her children, theyre sweet.
Diane Sawyer: But to adopt? No?
Michael: Of course.
Lisa Marie: But if they have a biological father, and hes the . . . hes their . .
Micahel: I think they love me very much. I love them.
Lisa Marie: They do.
Michael: We have a lot of fun.
Lisa Marie: But Ive never heard of that before, a person, someone adopting someones children, while theyre in a relationship with that person.
Diane Sawyer: Were going to take a break for a
minute, and come back with more questions.
Diane Sawyer: Were going to show you a film now, created by Michael Jackson. And, it is causing a furor in some movie theaters around this country. They say among other things that, it is clearly modeled, after Triumph of The Will. They mean, Riefenstahl. A Nazi film with a Nazi meaning to it.
Michael: Its not true. None of thats true. None of those things are true.
Diane Sawyer: Did you watch that film before you did it?
Diane Sawyer: I watch everything, I love movies, I love documentaries. It had nothing to do with that at all.
Diane Sawyer: But there are people who keep saying, this is . . . they look at it and say this is
Michael: Absolutely not.
Diane Sawyer: You were .
Michael: It has nothing to do with politics, or communism, or fascism at all .
Diane Sawyer: Well, the critics have said that, its the most body vein, glorious, self-deification a pop singer ever undertook with a straight face.
Michael: Good! Thats what I wanted.
Diane Sawyer: For the controversy?
Michael: Yeah! They fell into my trap.
Diane Sawyer: But the people who say that
Michael: I wanted everybodys attention.
Diane Sawyer: But for the people who say those symbols, matter
Michael: No. The symbols no . .
Diane Sawyer: The suffering
Michael: No. The symbol has nothing to do with that. Its not political. Its not Fascist. Its not dogma. Its not yknow, ideology and all of this stuff. Its pure, simple love. You dont see any tanks, you dont see any cannons. Its about love. Its people coming together . . .
Diane Sawyer: About love. Were gonna let everybody watch a bit of it.
Michael: Yeah, but its art. It is art!
Diane Sawyer: OK.
Michael: We had a director, we get him to create art.
Diane Sawyer: The short answer, coming up here it comes.
[part of the HIStory trailer is shown]
Diane Sawyer: Well, as we said, were gonna clearly agree to disagree maybe, on what this means to some people watching it. Theres been another issue raised. In a song you say, Jew me, sue me. And some people are saying that that is anti-Semitic.
Michael: Its not anti-Semitic. Because, Im not a racist person. I could never be a racist. I love all races of people from Arabs, to Jewish people , like I said before, to blacks. But when I say, Jew me, sue me, everybody do me, kick me, kike me, dont you black or white me, Im talking about myself as the victim, you know. My accountants and lawyers are Jewish. My three best friends are Jewish David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Stephen Spielberg, Mike Milkin. These are friends of mine. Theyre all Jewish. So how does that make sense? I was raised in a Jewish community.
Diane Sawyer: I wanna ask you both about something cause it was the second most asked question by people on the street. And I know I know its a sensitive issue for you, and you talked with Oprah about it. But, somehow, people still are not, they dont feel theyve heard everything about the whiteness of your skin, and that its not somehow a choice on your part , along with the make-up to be. Is it to be neither black, or white neither to look completely male, to be in the androgynous zone? I, I think they wanna know it is a decision, on your part in some way, the way you look. Where does it come from?
Michael: I think it creates itself its nature.
Lisa Marie: He hes an artist. He has every right
Michael: Im an artist, Im a performer.
Lisa Marie: And he is constantly re-modifying something or changing it or reconstructing it or you know, working on some imperfection that he thinks needs to be worked on. If he sees something he doesnt like, he changes it! Period. He re-sculpted himself, hes an artist.
Michael: And I wanna put a red dot right there one day (pointing to his forehead), And two eyes right here.
Diane Sawyer: But but, do you wish you were the color you were, again?
Michael: Do I wish I was the cololor?
Diane Sawyer: Black color.
Michael: You have to ask nature that. I loved I love black, I love black.
Diane Sawyer: But do you wish you were that way?
Michael: I envy her [pointing to Lisa Marie], cause she can tan and I cant.
Diane Sawyer: One more question I wanna make sure I ask. Are you going to sing together?
Lisa Marie: No.
Diane Sawyer: The two of you.
Michael: [singing to Lisa Marie] I would love to sing with you, would you like to sing with me?
Lisa Marie: [shaking her head] Mm, mmm.
Diane Sawyer: You dont sing?
Lisa Marie: I dont sing. I did sing, if I wanted it. I mean, Im not gonna marry someone for a recording career, just want to clear that up as well. Um.
[Michael makes Rabbit's ears behind Lisa Marie's head]
Michael: What? Heh heh.
[Lisa Marie pinches him]
Michael: Stop! [giggling]
Lisa Marie: Um, grrr.
Diane Sawyer: Im gonna let the two of you dupe this out over here. Well take a break, and well come back.
Diane Sawyer: And as our hour ends, Id like to just ask each of you for a one sentence answer. Times so short. Where do you want to be in five years?
Michael: Oh boy, I love what Im doing now and to do everything I can to help the children .and hello Bobby Sherrit.
Lisa Marie: Ah, I just want people to know what theyre dealing with, before and understand, that Im not the, that we are not .. the jokes, the degrading comments, all that kind of stuff, its really irritating. So I didnt get to get it in there, I hope this is over alreay, but
Michael: We want to choke them!
Diane Sawyer: Alright, so in five years you want to
Lisa Marie: Yeah, we want to choke them.
Michael: Dont believe the garbage, all the tabloid junk. Dont read it, dont listen to it. Its junk, its stupid, enough of it.
Diane Sawyer: And tonight is over.
Michael: Yes! [raises his fist in victory]
LET US COMPARE OUR NOTES NOW.
Thank you Helena for your generosity sharing your investigation!