Academic Assault on Michael Jackson. THE GUYS who recommended
Carl Tom´s Book. Part 1
by Helena on vindicatemj.wordpress.com
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As someone with a university background I was still at a loss
as to why university professors would speak of the filth by
Carl Tom (Thomas OCarroll) on Michael Jackson as a recommended
Many other people were similarly misguided by their reveiws
(see a haters comment saying: I am ecstatic that
no less than FIVE renowned academics also heartily endorse it!
Renowned academics? They are actually some of the biggest names
in their fields!): Michael
Jackson´s Dangerous Liaisons
So I decided to have a look at the guys and never regretted
This small study has told me more about Tom OCarrolls
educated and powerful friends than anyone could ever expect.
The range of interests of these guys reminded me of a proverb
Tell me who your friend is and Ill tell you who
friend # 1.
JAMES R. KINCAID
He spoke of the book about Michael Jackson as the most
engaging, informed, and generous-hearted book we have on the
subject or are likely ever to have.
University of Southern California has the following to say about
James Kincaid has been a professor in the English Department
at USC since 1987. Kincaids earlier work in Victorian
literature and culture has yielded to publication in cultural
studies, most recently in the current cultural practices of
eroticizing children and instituting elaborate scapegoating
rituals to disguise what we are doing. He regularly teaches
classes in criminality/lunacy/perversion, in age studies, in
censorship, and in other areas.
Why should a literature professor teach a class in criminality,
lunacy and perversion at his department and why these
subjects should be taught at all (unless it is a medical
or psychiatric college) is completely beyond my understanding,
but let us go on with our little study:
James Kincaid has written a number of books including
Child-Loving: The Erotic Child and Victorian Culture,
1992 and others. Additionally Professor Kincaid has been
published in several journals and has been active on Boards
and Committees in his field.
Interesting to see what that erotic child book is all about
Ralph Underwager, of Institute for Psychological Therapies,
Northfield, Minnesota says in his review of the book:
Well, what isnt clear to the first reviewer is self-evident
to the second one (the link is still to be provided):
- The author
specifically treats pedophilia as it is
presented in Victorian texts and then in the current child
sexual abuse system. He claims the separation into child and
adult with the child asexual and the adult sexual
is an error.
- He presents childrens sexuality as inherent, complex,
rich, and rewarding to children.
- Though not explicitly stated, the book in a subtle way
appears to also be an apologetic for pedophilia. It
openly poses the question about child-adult sexual contact
being potentially positive, but does not give an answer.
The reader is left to infer that the answer Kincaid gives
is, yes, sexual contact between a child and an adult can be
positive for the child. Perhaps because the author chooses
to mute and soften this argument, it is not clear.
- This is a provocative book that will make some people very
angry. It will also cause many readers to exclaim, Now
I understand why this system seems so wrong!
- James R.Kindcaids latest book is not really a book
about Victorian culture so much as it is a book about our
culture. Kincaid touches upon some Victorian literature,
but his subject is child-loving,
or, not to put too fine a point on it, pedophilia.
- The topic itself is jarring at first, unsettling and perhaps
more than a little suspect. Colleagues of mine who saw the
book wanted to know just why I was reading it: then, after
glancing through it, they wanted to know just why he
had written it. Such concern plays right into Kincaids
hands and reinforces one of the central arguments of his book:
that we are ALL yes, dear reader, even YOU and I
closet pedophiles of sorts, and we mask our fascination
through denial and abhorrence.
- To teach this conclusion Kincaid draws upon literature,
psychology, personal anecdotes, legal documents, journalism,
and medical and child-rearing manuals
The erotic possibilities
of Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan have of course not gone
unnoticed, but Kincaid manages to turn both works inside
out, demonstrating that they are little more than texts
- Such pedophilic aspects of Victorian literature can make
us squirm uncomfortably, but, Kincaid asserts, the Victorians,
with their Little Nell and Paul Dombey, were more honest about
their child-loving than we are.
So once a pedophile always a pedophile, a man who sees
pedophilic aspects just everywhere he looks. And what
about this fresh and engaging idea of everybody
pedophiles? If that is the case then Michael Jackson should naturally
be among us too
The idea of everyone being a pedophile is promoted by the author
in his other book with an amazing title Erotic
Innocence: The Culture of Child Molesting
one of its readers to leave the following comment on Amazon.com:
- The most ominous thing about this book, though, is
that Kincaid purports to be one of but a few people who can
cut through the hysteria with truth, when in fact he adds
to it a hundredfold by saying that EVERYONE is a pedophile
and that (nearly?) every work of art involving children eroticizes
them. Furthermore, his solution is not for people to wake
up from the story and see things as they are,
but to instead construct new stories, i.e. to
delude themselves into believing something else. This, he
has the gall to call rational.
- I believe most adults in our culture feel some
measure of erotic attraction to children and the childlike;
I do not know how it could be otherwise, he writes,
in a statement which summarizes the books logic. Sorry,
Mr. Kincaid. I need a lot more than your testimony of faith
to believe such a fantastic story.
It is amazing that people like James Kincaid
have been allowed to write their stuff quite openly and for
so many years and nobody noticed it - while the innocent Michael
Jackson was trashed by the media, authorities and public opinion
for as many years and absolutely for nothing!
They were trashing the innocent while the guilty were thriving
Professor Kincaid is in charge of What Matter to Me and
Why program at USC. I wonder what kind of guidance he
gives to his students there? The official site advertises it
as an informal dialogue where students are encouraged
to talk about important, personally charged questions in an
open, mutually respectful way.
Is my guess correct about what they discuss at their sessions?
Does he teach his students that they are also closet pedophiles
by drawing upon literature, psychology, etc.? No
doubt he DOES, judging by what USC says about the people working
on this program: they have a great deal to pass on
in terms of worldly wisdom, moral guidance, and sources of spiritual
friend # 2.
His review of Thomas OCarrolls book says it shows
that the only real abuse of children that occurred
was not from Michaels bedroom horseplay, but parental
manipulation of kids for financial gain. As such, this book
gives us a profound cultural critique of received assumptions
about childhood innocence, pedophilic power, and
This sounded very much all right to me and it was actually this
guy who misguided me most. So it was very interesting to
get familiar with the scholar
Please, meet Thomas K. Hubbard. He is Professor of Classics
at the University of Texas, Austin and the worlds leading
authority on Greek Pederasty. He received his doctorate
from Yale in 1980 and taught the first course in Gay &
Lesbian Studies at his university in 1992.
Well, despite his face and general demeanor the man IS
the main authority on Greek Pederasty. The question whether
this subject should be taught at all still remains, of course
I didnt know that Gay & Lesbian courses were also
taught at American universities, especially at their Classical
departments. The whole idea seems ridiculous to me same
as Heterosexual love or Perversion to
be taught as special subjects for example. Sorry, I forgot
as regards guiding us on perversion we have
our first professor, James Kincaid
Thomas Hubbards main publications are quite enlightening
as to his own personal interests and preferences:
- GREEK LOVE RECONSIDERED (New York: Wallace Hamilton, 2000),
- HISTORYS FIRST CHILD MOLESTER: Euripides Chrysippus
and the Marginalization of Pederasty in Athenian Democratic
Discourse, in J. Davidson, F. Muecke, and P. Wilson
- PEDERASTY AND DEMOCRACY: The Marginalization of a Social Practice.
In T. K. Hubbard, ed.
- SEX IN THE GYM: ATHLESTIC TRAINERS AND PEDAGOGICAL PEDERASTY,
Intertexts 7 (2003)
- THE VARIETIES OF GREEK LOVE, The Gay & Lesbian Review
Greek pederasty reconsidered? What for? Pederasty and
Democracy going hand in hand? And what the hell is Pedagogical
Pederasty? The author says about it:
As abhorrent as teacher-student relationships may be to some
modern constructions of sexual morality, as institutionalized
today in the ethical codes of virtually every school and university,
we must recognize that the bugbears of sexual harassment and
child molestation did not possess the same valence in antiquity;
pederasty and pedagogy were intimately linked. The educational
historian H. I. Marrou was forthright in acknowledging the pederastic
basis of advanced education in all spheres: Pederasty was considered
the most beautiful, the perfect, form of education.
Throughout Greek history the relationship between master and
pupil was to remain that between a lover and his beloved: education
remained in principle not so much a form of teaching, an instruction
in techniques, as an expenditure of loving effort by an elder
concerned to promote the growth of a younger man who was burning
with the desire to respond to this love and show himself worthy
Okay, so now we know from Thomas Hubbard that ancient Greeks
turned pederasty into sheer poetry. But I also know that
as a result of these criminal morals the ancient world eventually
became so corrupt that it fell into ruins under the attack of
Its a miracle and pure coincidence of course that the
almost only survivals were Christians whom the no less educated
Romans used to feed to lions to the frenzy of the ancient crowd
and whose chastity (initially very genuine) eventually
took the upper hand over the morals of ancient Greeks and Romans
even if they are being reconsidered now and regarded
as beautiful by some of the present scholars
Whatever is the case with Dr. Hubbard I have a question to all
of you would you like your children to be educated
by this man? Even if you havent seen the photo?
Tom OCarrolls friend # 3.
WILLIAM ARMSTRONG PERCY III
It is a pity that the true names of Carl Toms friends
are now disappearing from the internet. At present you can still
find them at a haters site I already quoted above. This
is the only place where I saw the endorsement from Professor
William A.Percy III, University of Massachusetts at Boston.
Amazon.com was somewhat shy about him and now I even
know why. The man is SO odious that no one in their right mind
would ever cite this monsters opinion. However in case
of a book about Michael his comment is not as bad as one would
expect it from a scholar with his reputation: This fascinating,
closely reasoned brief argues that Michael Jackson never harmed
much less traumatized any of his favorites. He cuddled with,
French kissed, and sometimes caused to ejaculate but never penetrated
boys from eight to fourteen.
Thank you, Professor for your kind words and expertly opinion
your comment is extremely valuable as youre
surely a specialist in the activities like that. It is only
that Michael Jackson didnt do even the above little things
youve mentioned. Contrary to real molesters he couldnt
bring himself even to say this word and think the things youre
demonstrating so boldly at your tell-all site (where you call
yourself Bad Bill): William
A. Percy's Homepage
The site is said to be a website for the fallen, the
ostracized, the scorned, the despised, the damned ideas
and people alike those not mentioned in polite society,
not invited to or published in respectable places.
Frankly, Bill, I couldnt bring myself to go as far as
that Men and Boy post in your Pederasty section,
but what Id seen before that was quite enough for me to
get some idea of your preferences and turbulent activities,
as well as the zeal with which you are championing your cause
With men like you your people are not far from a triumphant
For those who havent seen you, here you are in all your
William Armstrong Percy, III (born 10 December 1933)
professor, historian, encyclopedist, and gay activist.
In 1968 he moved to the University of Massachusetts at
Boston. He joined the fight for equal rights for gays in 1982
and began publishing in gay studies three years later.
One of his main publications is naturally Pederasty
and Pedagogy in Archaic Greece (University of Illinois
Press, 1996). A review from Mark Anthony Masterson, Ph.D. student
in Classics at the University of Southern California (must be
James R.Kincaids student) says about it:
There is much to praise about this book. Percy
has provided a description of the institution of Greek pederasty
that is needed. The scholarly writing up to now has mostly
been for specialists. Percys book, in contrast, speaks
to a wider audience without condescension. It could also
be used as a text in a gay studies course.
A perfect textbook for gay studies and pederasty?
The one perfectly suitable for the Perversion
course taught by James R.Kincaid or Gay/Lesbian Studies
taught by Thomas K. Hubbard?
Another comment from Gerald Erickson of University of Texas
on Percys book says that the view offered is the
proposition that pederasty was the primary causal factor in
producing the Greek Miracle. This book does present
institutional pederasty from a positive perspective and may
consequently help to counteract decades of censorship and squeamish
Prof. William A.Percy confirms the idea at his site
and Pedagogy in Archaic Greece
Pederasty was from the beginning both physical and emotional,
the highest and most intense type of male bonding. These pederastic
bonds were responsible for the rise of Hellas and the Greek
miracle: in two centuries the population of Attica, a
mere 45,000 adult males in six generations, produced an astounding
number of great men who laid the enduring foundations of Western
thought and civilization.
Thank you, Bill that youve explained to us that all
good comes from pederasty only and that youre helping
us to overcome our natural revolt towards the subject. Your
book must be a great read according to readers comments
at Amazon.com some of whom are practically squeaking
Male love was very much a part of Greek culture
and William Percy boldly argues that pedagogical eros, the relationship
between adolescent youths and their older mentors, helped to
create and sustain the Greek miracle. This is a
very thorough and scholarly book.
The author clearly differentiates pederasty
(sex between postpubescent youth and adult males) from pedophilia
(sex between prepubescent boys and adult males), noting the
evidence showing that pedophilia was not a condoned behavior
in Archaic Greece. This work is an excellent place to begin
for anyone who wishes to trace how previous civilizations not
only tolerated, but in some instances even encouraged, male-male
relationships until the purveyors of the Judeo-Christian model
vigorously proselytized their beliefs and shunned the behavior
out of the mainstream.
If this book is anywhere near true, men have been missing
out on a lot of action for almost two thousand years. Mind boggling
The Judeo-Christian model which has been mentioned
here reminded me of how amazingly easy this model
can deal with authors like William A. Percy. Jesus Christ
told us that the true worth of a tree is known by its fruit
- so if reading Percys book boggles the mind of a reader
by the exciting prospect of doing something that has been an
unspeakable crime for thousands of years and which is being
joyfully regained now, you can pass your verdict on the author
with an almost mathematical accuracy:
THIS IS HELL WITH A GATE WIDE OPEN
Thank you Helena for your generosity
sharing your investigation!