February 2th, 2004
Geraldine Hughes speaks out in support of Michael Jackson
This is a partial transcript from The O'Reilly Factor, January
TONY SNOW, GUEST HOST: In the "Factor Flashback"
segment tonight, as we just told you, friends of Michael Jackson
spoke out today in his defense, after new allegations made public
in "Vanity Fair" magazine. One of the people trotted
out in this defense was Geraldine Hughes. She was the secretary
for Attorney Barry Rothman, who represented the boy who accused
Jackson of molestation in 1993. That case was settled but Hughes
has come out with a book called "Redemption: The Truth
Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations."
She says the allegations were absolutely untrue.
Bill spoke with her recently. O'REILLY: In the "Impact"
segment tonight, 45-year-old Michael Jackson will be arraigned
next week on child molestation charges in California. As you
know, the case is the subject of endless speculation, but there
is a story you might not have heard.
In 1994, Jackson settled child molestation charges with a 13-year-old
boy and his family for millions. At the time, a lawyer named
Barry Rothman was representing the boy.
Joining us now from Los Angeles is Geraldine Hughes, who was
Rothman's legal secretary during that case. She is the author
of the upcoming book "Redemption: The Truth Behind the
Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations."
All right, I want to walk through this, Ms. Hughes. I want to
be very specific. All right, you contend that the boy's father,
Dr. Evan Chandler, was behind this whole thing and that Jackson
did not molest the boy. Is that correct?
GERALDINE HUGHES, "REDEMPTION" AUTHOR:
That is absolutely correct. O'REILLY: And you base that on what?
HUGHES: Well, basically, I was on the inside. So I was able
to witness behaviors. I was able to witness what was going on
the inside. I knew from the very onset of the allegation that
Michael Jackson was absolutely innocent and that it wasn't a
O'REILLY: All right, now give me one -- your biggest convincer.
You've got millions of people watching you right now.
O'REILLY: All right? The biggest reason you felt Jackson was
innocent was? HUGHES: I guess, if I were to give one -- there
were a lot -- but I will try and pull one. Basically, it was
-- I actually recall the letter that went to Chandler, where
he was advised about how to report child molestation by using
a third party without liability to a parent. And that was like
three weeks prior to the actual launching of the allegations.
O'REILLY: All right, now Ms. Hughes, if I am a parent, and my
child is molested, all right, I immediately go to my attorney
for advice. If my attorney advises me to take a certain course
of action, as Dr. Chandler's did, all right, because you worked
for the man...
O'REILLY: ...all right, why would that mean that this didn't
Why wouldn't this be just the methodical, orderly way to place
HUGHES: I guess if that was the only thing I had that I could
say made me believe that, you would probably be right and I
would probably look into it further based on your view. But
there's many occasions...
O'REILLY: All right, but I asked you for the big gun. And the
big gun hasn't convinced me. Give me something else.
HUGHES: Well, okay -- well, basically, it's -- my contention
is that it was an elaborate -- elaborate, meaning it was multifaceted.
Multifaceted means I can throw you one thing and it's really
not going to matter until you pull it all together. Minus physical
evidence, you have to look at the whole picture. You can't just
-- one thing is not going to do it for you.
O'REILLY: All right.
HUGHES: But I will say this. I will say this. We have the finest
police, law enforcement agency in the nation. There were four
police agencies that went looking for evidence to corroborate
with the little boy, and they found nothing. That really should
be your biggest thing right there.
O'REILLY: Well, here's what swayed me to disagree with you,
and maybe you can put this in perspective for us. During the
O'REILLY: The father, Dr. Chandler, all right, and your boss
presented a scenario whereby the 13-year-old boy would identify
marks on Michael Jackson's body that nobody would have known
about unless they had seen his intimate parts.
HUGHES: Right. Yes, okay.
O'REILLY: Now what say you, Madame?
HUGHES: I said did they bring him -- did they arrest him based
on their findings? Because had he accurately described parts
that only someone could have described if they had seen it,
that would have been -- that was really what they were looking
for, the mere fact that they didn't bring him up on charges
after that. And Michael even said the only reason why...
O'REILLY: The boy -- after the $20 million changed hands, the
boy then wouldn't testify. And that's how it went.
HUGHES: Well, that was before that. That was before that. That
was before the settlement negotiations.
O'REILLY: Whoa, whoa, whoa. I will cede you one point, Madame.
You're not making your case for me, I have to be quite honest
with you. I'm not believing...
HUGHES: That's fine.
O'REILLY: ...you know, I'm not going to get it, Bill.
O'REILLY: Well, look, I mean I'm not -- if I'm on the jury and
I'm listening to you, he's not exonerated. But I will tell you
this -- I do believe that this Dr. Chandler, okay, wanted the
money rather than the criminal prosecution. Instead of going
to the authorities first and backing into the civil suit, he
didn't. He went for the civil -- he wanted the money and then
the criminal prosecution be damned. I do believe that. And that's
HUGHES: But we live in a state where you can have both. You
can have criminal prosecution and the money.
O'REILLY: Now, but not then. Not yet. You could have.
HUGHES: Oh, then you could too.
O'REILLY: Now here's motivation you may be right about but...
HUGHES: He could have had both. He didn't have to go just for
the one. And you tell me somebody molests your child, you're
going to take money and not go after the prosecution?
O'REILLY: I wouldn't do it. I know people who would sell their
children for $20 million. Ms. Hughes, we thank you very much
HUGHES: Thank you.
O'REILLY: Thank you.
O'REILLY: Thank you for appearing.
HUGHES: Thank you.
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